lou: on this broadcast we never talk about the fiscal cliff without referring to the incipient case, there rid of it all, and that is why i elieve it is entirely appropriate told the president accountable for the fiscal cliff because this is the only bullish and work here. it is this president who has decided to issue an ultimatum. first on taxes and being raised on only 2 percent of the people. secondly, insisting that the debt ceiling isse be compounded with it all. this is without question an ultimatum, the consequences are his. what do you think? >> well, i am afraid that even though the consequences are his, the consequences for the economy will be his. i think he is betting, i think there is pretty good evidence right now that he is betting that he can win this argument because the media and his megaphone enable him to persuade the american people that the republican will be the cause of the troubles that we will face if we go over the cliff. lou: histy is littered with examples of those to proceed and rationally so but came u against creative,energetic opposition that found a